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		<title>By: Nathanael Noya</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael Noya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent! If I could write like this I would be well happpy. The more I see articles of such quality as this (which is rare), the more I think there might be a future for the Net. Keep it up, as it were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! If I could write like this I would be well happpy. The more I see articles of such quality as this (which is rare), the more I think there might be a future for the Net. Keep it up, as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: cast aluminum bistro set</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>cast aluminum bistro set</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was a really nice thought! Just wanna say thank you for the selective information you have diffused. Just continue writing this kind of post. I will be your loyal reader. Gives Thanks over again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a really nice thought! Just wanna say thank you for the selective information you have diffused. Just continue writing this kind of post. I will be your loyal reader. Gives Thanks over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Coin</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Coin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yours is a welcome voice discussing a topic that is at once vital to our survival and perhaps among the least pleasant and most uncomfortable.  Thank you.  

Recalling the passage of how &#039;the seeds&#039; grow depending upon the nature of &#039;the soil&#039; in which they happen to land: today our soil is the sort where &#039;the seeds&#039; grow quickly when they first land, but then &#039;hit the rocks&#039; as they recognize the sad space between the seeming and the being in the higher places in the church.  Where there should be more integrity, they find less.

The only way forward is to allow the most senior, stable priest within an hour&#039;s drive of a population center to be a full diocesan bishop -- whether unmarried or whether his wife has neglected to die before his retirement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yours is a welcome voice discussing a topic that is at once vital to our survival and perhaps among the least pleasant and most uncomfortable.  Thank you.  </p>
<p>Recalling the passage of how &#8216;the seeds&#8217; grow depending upon the nature of &#8216;the soil&#8217; in which they happen to land: today our soil is the sort where &#8216;the seeds&#8217; grow quickly when they first land, but then &#8216;hit the rocks&#8217; as they recognize the sad space between the seeming and the being in the higher places in the church.  Where there should be more integrity, they find less.</p>
<p>The only way forward is to allow the most senior, stable priest within an hour&#8217;s drive of a population center to be a full diocesan bishop &#8212; whether unmarried or whether his wife has neglected to die before his retirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Blanchard Jacobus</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Blanchard Jacobus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew 15:18-20 clearly teaches that there must be some form of responsibility accredited to the members of the church to care for and watch over each person: lay, deacon, priest, etc.  

Repentance by the believer does restore fellowship but not necessarily undo the consequences of that action.  I Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 teach that those who are called to lead the flock must be held to a standard of righteousness both inside and outside the walls of the church.

I am also of the belief that the attributes attributed to leaders in these passages also apply to the laity.  We are to be a &quot;unique people&quot; serving others (1 Peter 4:10) not tied to the things of this world (Matthew 6:24).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew 15:18-20 clearly teaches that there must be some form of responsibility accredited to the members of the church to care for and watch over each person: lay, deacon, priest, etc.  </p>
<p>Repentance by the believer does restore fellowship but not necessarily undo the consequences of that action.  I Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9 teach that those who are called to lead the flock must be held to a standard of righteousness both inside and outside the walls of the church.</p>
<p>I am also of the belief that the attributes attributed to leaders in these passages also apply to the laity.  We are to be a &#8220;unique people&#8221; serving others (1 Peter 4:10) not tied to the things of this world (Matthew 6:24).</p>
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		<title>By: Fr Basil Biberdorf</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr Basil Biberdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See the newest post, http://orthodoxleader.com/2009/12/03/were-talking-about-leadership/ for more information about what is to come here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the newest post, <a href="http://orthodoxleader.com/2009/12/03/were-talking-about-leadership/" rel="nofollow">http://orthodoxleader.com/2009/12/03/were-talking-about-leadership/</a> for more information about what is to come here.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Oliver Herbel</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. Oliver Herbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the question of what this site should accomplish is a good one.  I think calling people to attention the severity of the problem is good, but it is the sort of thing a single blog article could do.  So, the question of &quot;where to go from here&quot; is an important one.  Pokrov has been working on this issue.   They can only get so far.  Why?  Because priests and bishops support one another in their sins.  Some think Pokrov also gets too worked up over cases that don&#039;t deserve the same attention.  Regardless, there is work to be done.  Remember, though, that these problems are related to the financial.  One clergyman does one and another the other, but they mutually support one another.

So, when all is said and done, the point is that these issues are all related, so what to do, concretely?

For now, we can use this as a place to gather, I suppose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the question of what this site should accomplish is a good one.  I think calling people to attention the severity of the problem is good, but it is the sort of thing a single blog article could do.  So, the question of &#8220;where to go from here&#8221; is an important one.  Pokrov has been working on this issue.   They can only get so far.  Why?  Because priests and bishops support one another in their sins.  Some think Pokrov also gets too worked up over cases that don&#8217;t deserve the same attention.  Regardless, there is work to be done.  Remember, though, that these problems are related to the financial.  One clergyman does one and another the other, but they mutually support one another.</p>
<p>So, when all is said and done, the point is that these issues are all related, so what to do, concretely?</p>
<p>For now, we can use this as a place to gather, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Xenia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fr. Basil,

God Bless You!  I am a survivor of clergy sexual abuse who struggles to maintain my Orthodox Faith due more to the Church&#039;s response to the report than the actions of a sinful man.  May your endeavor be blessed over and over again!

Unfortunately, I believe many of us know the answers to your questions - for me to even sign this with my first name is a huge step because I have experienced where the blame falls within Orthodoxy... It is the easy road to keep silent but it is a killer silence.  

(Note:  I am not suggesting all victims &quot;go public&quot; but that all victims seek healing in some way.  Going public can be a very difficult road.)

Clergy sexual abuse is soul murder and the Church should do all it can to both irradicate the problem and to help the victims.  Why that responsibility is not plain as day is beyond me and obviously yourself... But there is indeed a grave problem in our Church; I have experienced it surprisingly, first hand, from my very own Bishop&#039;s defense of my abuser AFTER the matter was reported, investigated, and the priest was defrocked for his sins by another bishop. Anything anyone can do to prevent this from happening to anyone else is a very blessed gift!



Dear Derek,

Perhaps Fr. Basil may wish to focus on the how to coordinate responses between jurisdictions ( a common problem within Orthoxy in America - &quot;Deposed by one jurisdiction? - Just join another!&quot;) or perhaps in educating clergy how to handle reports of abuse or perhaps, though it may be a miracle too good to see come true, how to counsel victims and help them feel the embrace of God&#039;s Church again?!  I obviously cannot speak for Fr. Basil, but I am once again learning to speak for myself: There are not enough websites in the world to educate people on this subject, assure that others are not hurt, communicate a Christian attitude towards victims, or help clergy know how to handle reports or counseling on the matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. Basil,</p>
<p>God Bless You!  I am a survivor of clergy sexual abuse who struggles to maintain my Orthodox Faith due more to the Church&#8217;s response to the report than the actions of a sinful man.  May your endeavor be blessed over and over again!</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I believe many of us know the answers to your questions &#8211; for me to even sign this with my first name is a huge step because I have experienced where the blame falls within Orthodoxy&#8230; It is the easy road to keep silent but it is a killer silence.  </p>
<p>(Note:  I am not suggesting all victims &#8220;go public&#8221; but that all victims seek healing in some way.  Going public can be a very difficult road.)</p>
<p>Clergy sexual abuse is soul murder and the Church should do all it can to both irradicate the problem and to help the victims.  Why that responsibility is not plain as day is beyond me and obviously yourself&#8230; But there is indeed a grave problem in our Church; I have experienced it surprisingly, first hand, from my very own Bishop&#8217;s defense of my abuser AFTER the matter was reported, investigated, and the priest was defrocked for his sins by another bishop. Anything anyone can do to prevent this from happening to anyone else is a very blessed gift!</p>
<p>Dear Derek,</p>
<p>Perhaps Fr. Basil may wish to focus on the how to coordinate responses between jurisdictions ( a common problem within Orthoxy in America &#8211; &#8220;Deposed by one jurisdiction? &#8211; Just join another!&#8221;) or perhaps in educating clergy how to handle reports of abuse or perhaps, though it may be a miracle too good to see come true, how to counsel victims and help them feel the embrace of God&#8217;s Church again?!  I obviously cannot speak for Fr. Basil, but I am once again learning to speak for myself: There are not enough websites in the world to educate people on this subject, assure that others are not hurt, communicate a Christian attitude towards victims, or help clergy know how to handle reports or counseling on the matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Schmidt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Father Basil,

If you know from experience that certain bishops have not handled these cases as they should, you might name them. It would provide a much more concrete reason for the launch of this website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Father Basil,</p>
<p>If you know from experience that certain bishops have not handled these cases as they should, you might name them. It would provide a much more concrete reason for the launch of this website.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Shinn</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Shinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Derek wrote: &gt;&gt; Do you intend to name names and accuse people? &lt;&lt;

Simply browse through the archives of http://www.pokrov.org and you will find dozens of well-documented cases of clergy sexual misconduct. In the vast majority of cases things were handled inappropriately with the result in many cases that wounded souls were ignored and children and vulnerable adults were needlessly put at continued risk. 

Moreover, estimates from many say that for every one report that is made public, many others result in the victims suffering in silence with their story never being made public. The Pokrov folks have many drawers full of notes on reports made through the years. 

The unethical way many Bishops handle abuse must stop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek wrote: &gt;&gt; Do you intend to name names and accuse people? &lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Simply browse through the archives of <a href="http://www.pokrov.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.pokrov.org</a> and you will find dozens of well-documented cases of clergy sexual misconduct. In the vast majority of cases things were handled inappropriately with the result in many cases that wounded souls were ignored and children and vulnerable adults were needlessly put at continued risk. </p>
<p>Moreover, estimates from many say that for every one report that is made public, many others result in the victims suffering in silence with their story never being made public. The Pokrov folks have many drawers full of notes on reports made through the years. </p>
<p>The unethical way many Bishops handle abuse must stop.</p>
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		<title>By: George Michalopulos</title>
		<link>http://orthodoxleader.paradosis.com/2009/11/30/9/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>George Michalopulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fr Basil,

keep up the good work!  This is long overdue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr Basil,</p>
<p>keep up the good work!  This is long overdue.</p>
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